So, I came across this tweet on a fine day in August:
Anyone willing to read and give feedback on a piece I wrote about a recent career decision-making process and more general advice?— Rishi Tripathy (@rishi_tripathy_) August 3, 2020
He wasn’t following me and neither was I. His tweet just popped up in my feed. Anyway, the word that raised my interest was – Career Decision-Making Process. A topic I love to read, hear and talk about.
So, I sent him a direct message asking if he could join me on my podcast. And he said, YES! But only a month from then as he was busy with his new job.
A month later on Saturday, 05th September, we got together on a remote podcast recording session and had a good time talking about life, bold career moves and even IKIGAI – a word I had first come across in his Twitter bio.
For those interested, here is a book on Ikigai:
Here is the full podcast to listen to. It’s only 45 mins long.
Available to hear on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify and other platforms. Here is the direct link to the recording also: https://anchor.fm/manojspeaks/episodes/Interview-Getting-to-know-Rishi-Tripathy-ej6tcg
NOTE: This is an unedited transcription, straight from auto-transcription tool. I haven’t had the time to work on the mispronunciations but hoping I can, eventually. My apologies)
|00:09||Manoj||As you travel through life or in my case Twitter, you come across people with interesting things to say, especially those little things that make you go – hmmm. I have one such person on the show. Joining me today from New Jersey is Rishi Tripathy & we will spend some time getting to know him, his ambitions & his activities. Rishi, Welcome to the show.|
|00:32||Rishi||Thanks for having me.|
|00:33||Manoj||Rishi – People are wondering and at the edge of their seats wondering who is this guy – is he an entrepreneur, is he an activist, is he a model, perhaps an author? Who are you?|
|00:44||Rishi||Yeah, the way I put it in my Twitter – I am just a guy chasing IKIGAI, right? And so there’s this Japanese concept of, uh, reason for being…bringing together sort of what you enjoy to do what you’re good at, what the world needs and what you could be paid for. And I think that’s like a really powerful concept. To internalize that those things actually can be, can you can achieve all of those things at the same time, right? So many times people compromise on one for the other or they feel that they have to. And I think that, like, it’s more possible than we think just to have it all. So I’m just I’m just here trying to have it all, Uh, just through sort of having my values lead, uh, my activities in my actions and just just being really intentional about what I spend my time on and with whom.|
|01:33||Manoj||Interesting. Your name is RISHI…Do you know what it means?|
|01:38||Rishi||Yeah, Rishis are like the old saints that went and sat in the mountains, right?|
|01:44||Manoj||Yes. Rishi a Sanskrit name, meaning a sage, someone who has dedicated their life to investigating the purpose off life and to live in the ideals contained within it. And when you break apart that word and look at it from that perspective, it also means a Seer – a seer of truth, someone who’s on the move, to be in the flow. Do you see yourself as somebody who is trying to find that purpose in life?|
|02:13||Rishi||I would say so. I don’t know how much it is trying to find it versus trying to achieve it. I think generally like it’s well understood what the things that really make people feel filled are right. Strong relationships. Uh, just like tying, tying some value to their work that they like just feeling that they do something valuable and just being really close and maintaining, uh, strong relationship with the people around them. But so maybe that’s what it that’s my understanding what it is. And then my.. I’m basically trying to execute on that now, right? And trying to live my life in a way such that Ah, such that I’m not trying to sort of delay my gratification or happiness for the future, as a lot of people my age tend to be doing and that when I talk to my friends, I hear them doing but just trying to have it now. So, yeah, I think that there is some overlap there.|
|03:03||Manoj||You mentioned two Key thinks that interests me a lot. One is value in the work that they do and relationships based on your life journey so far, what have you What have you learned from these two things?|
|03:17||Rishi||Yeah, that’s a like throughout my life. Um, especially like back in high school, I was always like a floater. I floated between different friend groups just because I gravitated more towards like individual people. What I found interesting as opposed to entire groups. Sometimes, obviously, it’s nice to have groups where you could make plans easily and like it. It’s very convenient, But, uh, when it came down to it, the people who I really ah, had confidence in right who I felt comfortable confiding in and who I went to for advice were always, uh, people who I really respected, admired from a values perspective. And it was never tied just status or or at least maybe it was at some point, right. And maybe I’m just like blacking that out now. But I think more as I continue, it becomes less and less though about status and more and more just about like, how…how does this person think about the world? And, ah, does that perspective sort of enhanced my understanding of the world as well? So that’s the the relationship side and then with the value in your work, I think like when I did a lot of soul searching this past summer, I just graduated from college and I was on this track where I was doing what a lot of people might think are like all the right things, right? Like getting the correct job. We’re getting the good job or whatever it is. But somehow it’s It’s still felt to me that that was like a rat race in some ways, and I was really interested in the work that I was doing, and it was frustrating for me to, for to feel like that was a rat race. So I I did some some reflection and just talk to like my friends, my advisers, my family, uh, and really started to isolate, like, what are the things like, What’s the value that I want to add rightly and what’s the How do I want to make people feel better or be better? Right? And I came out with, like, education. Entrepreneurship is two of those things, so for for different people have different interests, and they’ll identify different things that are interesting to them. But in the end, I think like if you don’t, if you’re not, like, really content or really passionate about ah, what you’re doing and I’m not even gonna say passion right, I’ll say, like you should be good at what you’re doing, and then you have to be…if you think of this non negative, right, either has to be something that’s within the grand scheme of the world, neutral or positive on, then if you’re good at it, you can get a lot of fulfillment out of it. Um, yeah, and that’s a separate topic slightly, but yeah, I’ll pause there.|
|05:58||Manoj||No, no, it’s interesting perspective for someone so young. You know, you’re thinking you’re thinking in such a high level, and that’s what got me interested to contact you. Your feed just popped up in my feet and and I’ll come to that particular feed that got me interested later on, but I thought here’s somebody here who is thinking differently, and that’s what attracted me. And all my guests on the show have been people who.. who thought differently, not necessarily from an entrepreneurial point of view, but they were thinking more about others and thinking more about what can I do with my skills? And you referenced that point that you know you want to focus on entrepreneurship. Am I right? Helping people become entrepreneurs or successful? Is that right?|
|06:52||Rishi||To some just some degree I think like successful might be a better way to put it is just like helping people find the things that bring them fulfillment.|
Um, because that’s different for everyone, right? Like for some, For some people, it’s traditionally like status based or wealth based, and then for other people, it’s like relationship based on, like, everybody has different priorities, right? So just trying to help people find priorities that fit them. Uh, not really trying to box him into anything because a lot of people especially my age, I talked to my friends like they don’t really know what their priorities are. It’s very easy throughout high school and college. Ah, there’s a lot to do. There’s a lot that you kind of have to do when you’re in high school, so you can You can just do those things and get caught up in them and then not have had time. To think about why, or, uh, what you’re trying to do along your journey, so I’d say, like overall, it’s just like I think helping people find fulfillment and one part of that can be entrepreneurship. I think that’s an incredibly empowering one and then education, I think, is the other. Just, uh, from early childhood through sort of just like lifelong education. Ah, the only way that we can do new things is by learning new things.
|08:04||Manoj||Um, just that point you mentioned about people not getting there, not not getting there priorities right. But just not knowing what their priorities in life do you think that’s a failure in the educational system of today and perhaps even, uh, parenthood?.|
|08:24||Rishi||Yeah..I mean, I wouldn’t Maybe I wouldn’t say failure, but maybe a shortcoming is a better word. Um, just given that students, at least in the US, are under immense pressure to achieve, based on a very narrow set of metrics ah, that are quantified and abstracted away from, like, positive outcomes for students or what Most people, I guess, would call positive outcomes like getting a good score on a standardized exam is not necessarily a positive outcome if that child is psychologically damaged or socially inept, right? So, like, just I think that there’s some combination of parenting and education that is resulting in lots of people, not really knowing why or what…like people graduate from college in the 22 they just don’t know what they should do with their lives on. I think like the so many people, right? I just graduated from a top 10 university in the world and, like I’d say, upwards of 40% of my peers are like, lost in…in some way, right? Uh, and it’s something that they struggle with. It looks like people are trying to find jobs or they start a job and then they hate it like I don’t know. Ah, I think that there’s a lot of work to do within our society on those issues in general, but understanding on my part|
|09:53||Manoj||I think that’s true. And I think that’s where the concept off Rishi needs to come in because a part of the for what the ancient re she’s used to do is they would spend a lot of time soul searching, and that was done pretty much in their childhood from the age of five. So by the time they reached their twenties, they were ready to face the world, and and to contribute to society and be an instrument of change, Rishis weren’t people who just sat alone in a cave in a mountain, the only sad in a cave in a mountain so that they could be so they could focus just, like always, sit in a quiet room. What humans have for gotten is the soul searching the word that you use. It’s definitely the most ignore part off our existence. We see ourselves as people who needs control and who needs to enjoy. And if you don’t get it, then we feel we failed because our understanding off success is what you said in the beginning is status, money, education, power, fame. And I think it’s important for people to understand that they’re not bad. But you need to know how to manage those, and you need to know how to get them and how to manage it if you don’t get it. And I think this is an important part off education. So if you missed it in school atleast in your university, college or some part of your life, you need to inculcate these values. Otherwise, the second point that you mentioned, which is relationships, move break because you have unnecessary expectations off people because you haven’t fulfilled your own expectations.|
|11:33||Rishi||Yeah, definitely. And there’s like a lot of intersectionality between some of the things that we’re talking about now and just like like socioeconomic situations in different countries. Right? Because when you are born into fewer means the n your parents are likely working longer hours. They’re not able to spend time, be social at home and these sort of like cycles that perpetuate themselves by virtue of the structure. And I don’t have a solution, right? I’m not sitting here with, like, a plan to fix the world, but, uh, I’ve just observed, and I’ve had conversations with people that show me that there’s a lot of fractures and how this issue manifests in Children’s lives especially.. so just something to be mindful of and something that I’m mindful of. Just as I think about my contributions and involvement and ah, in social justice and in policy and in my work as well, trying to be mindful some of those things|
|12:39||Manoj||fantastic. You’re a big believer of, so I’m slowly moving away from the current topic. But I’m gonna come back to that again. But you’re a big believer off spend 80% off your time on 20% of opportunities you care about most.|
Can you please enlighten us?
|12:57||Rishi||Definitely. So. I think that if people take some time to reflect on what’s important to them and what they care about, you’ll come up with a relatively unique perspective. Most individuals.. people will come for the relatively unique perspective.|
That’s to say that, uh, let’s just run with an example, right? Imagine there’s 1000 companies in the world and somebody every year. Some news organizations stack ranks the best 100 places to work right.
One here is thick you can use as to where to spend. Your effort is to use that stack ranking, but another here is to come. Use is to think about what your priorities are and which companies match that.
And I think that if you have 100 people and you ask them to the stock right based on their priorities, very few of them will end up with all of their choices being in the top five that are stack ranked by that news organization, you know, so you can come up with some unique perspective on what’s interesting to you. If you take some time and then given that that didn’t like, There’s a lot of high quality opportunities that are very much in demand and lots of people applying, like if you’re focusing your efforts on the five that matter most to you.
Uh, like I think I think this is a separate point than talking about how to do that right? They haven’t talking like it was awfully about this concept. But if you can focus on the five that are interesting to you and really try to stand out with those I of the perspective that you’re gonna have a much better shot at either speaking to somebody who has the ability to help you out or getting that job essentially, then somebody who’s just like during their resume and to the top 20 for everything, right. And it’s something that that I saw with my peers in high school with respect to college admissions. It is also something that I noticed in college with my peers with this back to job applications. So the reason why I say opportunities and not jobs or ah, job opportunities is just because at a systems level like this perpetuates in in any like, application based system where ah, demand for a subset of for a small subset of the available, like domain of opportunities outstrips the the supply of those jobs. Yeah, And then how this translates into practice, um is like, you could be really intentionally put together like a well thought out pitch for why a certain job or certain role, or why you are the right person to do that. And it gets a lot easier to make that a compelling case. If you’ve thought about why that opportunity is interesting to you in the first place, right? Because then it’s just a matter of putting it onto paper. But, um, yeah, I think too many people spend too little time applying to things that they really care about, and then when they don’t get the job, they feel really shitty and like they’re really upset. But like all they did was click their resume and send it all right. Uh, and it’s frustrating for me to see my friends like, be upset when those things happen. So just like, why don’t you do more like Why didn’t you just, like, send an email to the person like you talked about how much you wanted this job every day to me and how you were waiting to hear back. But you never sent them an email, and you never You never told him that. How do you How do you expect them to know? I don’t know.
|16:29||Manoj||Can you give me an example of how one should go about doing it? What? So what you use? You said you need to understand why you’re applying. So what you said,|
|16:41||Rishi||Yeah, Just why a certain job is compelling for you and why you’re the right person to do it, right? I can give a more concrete example. Yeah. So, as I was graduating college, I heard Yeah, the summer basically was in quarantine, right? And I was looking for something to dio. I knew I was gonna be incredibly bored if I wasn’t working on something. Um and so on Twitter, like I I came across a bunch of opportunities. People are posting jobs all the time. People are retweeting jobless things.|
Um and so there were a couple things that really stood out to me that I kind of put my whole towards I’d say for the summer, there were three opportunities that stood up to me.
Um, one. Waas an internship with Jeff Morris Jr. Who’s, ah, venture capitalists in the US Um, so I actually saw it here. I’ll just go through three. First there’s Jeffs. Then there was another one by Steve Schlachman, who’s the founder coach, an angel investor. And that’s the opportunity action ended up pursuing this summer. A third was one where there was no job posting at all. And, uh, there’s the company of notion that makes a activity software that I really like and I want To help them build that. So I made.
I made a pitch for them, and for each of these cases, I, like, saw the opportunity. It really stood out to me. Ah, relative toe, the other ones that were out there and like most of them, I just ignore. But when I see something I like, I just like Book Market or I capture that tweet, uh, somewhere and the nice band like 23 hours just like doing some research in thinking through, like, Why is this initially opportunity to me? Um And then I said, I send the person or whoever’s in charge a note and with the notion one right, there wasn’t even a job opportunity. I just sent it To to their team, right. I was like, Hey, I really like your product. I have some ideas here. My skills like, would you guys want to work together? And they were like, No, we don’t have any space. But I was like, OK, that’s fine, right? Because I spent 23 hours thinking about a product that I love. Ah, and now I like that product even more, and I mean even better. Customer. So for them, it’s a great outcome on for me. It was like a fun exercise. But for the other two, interesting. You
|18:55||Manoj||should say notion, cause that’s what I’m using right now for my visit. My note? Yeah. Great, too. Yeah,|
|19:01||Rishi||I love it. Uh, I’m actually working on building, like a notion work space for our company right now. But with Jeff Morris, I saw his job posting when I was on spring break in Puerto Rico with my friends on the beach and, ah, basically, that night, we were planning on, like getting dinner and then going out for drinks and in between silent. I ate dinner really quickly. We came back where, like, changing people were showering. And, like I spent 90 minutes old, people were getting ready. There’s only one bathroom Centrica while, um, and I, like, typed out a job application, and I sent it to him, okay? And I I told him like, Hey, I’m typing this from spring break. I’m really passionate about this. Uh, here’s my case, and I can send you these links later. Uh, like what? These But these examples looked like so I love India, actually tweeted some examples yesterday that you might find interesting, but Jeff responded and we had a conversation and I interviewed, and I didn’t get the roll. One of my friends, Gabby did. But then he referred me for one of the other opportunities that I thought was really interesting. Which was Steve Schleiff. Mons, um, so, like, just even putting that effort and, like, I stood out to Jeff in that way for putting that pitch together to the point where I was one of the last few people he was interviewing. In the end, he didn’t go with me, but he felt strongly enough about the effort that I had put into the opportunity to without ever having known me outside of the context of that interview, to put in a good word for me with somebody else that he knew. So, like, it just goes to show that, like, a little bit of intentionality, can I have a really outsized impact on your outcomes given, Like Imagine if I had just, like, put my resume into those three places like I wouldn’t know Jeff. I wouldn’t know Stephen. I wouldn’t be working in the ocean and I’d still be a home board, right? So And maybe I would have gotten some of it other job, our community if I was just applying everything. But maybe I hate that job opportunity, right? Because, like, it didn’t say, announced me initially. But O A put my resume in 500 places and one person responded, Want to just go with, like I think that’s Ah, some part way of of, uh, making sure that your fulfilled, obviously like I’ll disclaim a lot of this by saying like I’m like, very privileged toe Have the ability toe have had opportunities in the past that I got through just like spraying and praying job applications That put me in a position now where I have some more optionality. But like even from the beginning of a more thoughtful you are, I think, the further it will take you. I wish I wish I had started being more thoughtful earlier. Uh, if that’s worth anything to somebody with me,|
|21:32||Manoj||Like what? When you attend know that I|
|21:35||Rishi||think probably just around. Like the time I was starting to think about college. Yeah, anything that’s like a big inflection point for a lot of young people.|
|21:43||Manoj||And I say this to a lot of people because I’m in a position where I mentor a lot of people at work. I manage people. I do. Ah, a lot off interviews over the years on hundreds, and And the one thing that you look for in people is that spark in the eye. You know that that they’ve come there not to get a job and get their monthly salary. But they here to make a difference. And you can easily figure that out just the way they conduct themselves. And I tell all all the people that are meant of that you must.|
You must never prejudge Play the game if you feel if if your instinct is telling you Hey, maybe this is different to what I’m always used to.
Now I want I want approach them. It’s I’m not going to get it. I said, Don’t do that. Yeah, I don’t know that cause your body has a mechanism in place to help you take those risks to do something that you’ve never done before. So to hear from you that you were in Puerto Rico having a holiday, and in 19 minutes you sent it. That’s playing the game. You’re giving yourself that that opportunity to trial, something you’ve never done before. But many people are fearful, fearful off something that may not even happened. So it’s it’s wonderful that that you made that step, and I hope that’s a part of fuel making people successful or making people issues. You are you are you are enforcing this principle that don’t prejudge, Don’t speculate. Give yourself a chance to do something you’ve never done before because you will grow
|23:28||Rishi||exactly right. Like the concept of felt like so many people. Self reject is the word that I put around that term right is like they don’t apply over. They don’t put themselves out there, or they don’t take the extra 15 minutes to, like, right to cover. All right, I’m not going to write a cover letter discovered letters that kind of useful, but like a thoughtful email. The worst case outcome if you do any of those things is that you know a little bit more about something in the world whether it’s the company or the person. And you’re in the same place.|
|23:53||Manoj||Absolutely, Absolutely. I mean, only if you look at all the guests have had on the show. I’ve never known them before. You know, I just said, let me approach this guy or this lady and see what they say. And every single time they say yes. Yeah, you know, and I’ve met some amazing people and I’ve already made friends that I know my guess would become friends whom I not keep with me for the rest off rest of my life. And you mentioned a very important point off thinking such things very early on in life. I think that’s critical s well, not showing off, but But I actually did the soul searching when I was in my year 10. And you know, I made a decision that if I need to grow as a person, I need to step out of my comfort zone on my comfort zone At that time, with my parents on my family and I began to think, Hang on. These people have given me roots to be proud off, but now I need to use my rings to fly away.|
So after May, yet well, I left Australia. It was a huge move because nobody had done it in the family before or even in that whole neighborhood. So but it’s brought me so many opportunities, so so many realizations now that I feel that was that one action has helped me be a better person. And I think if everyone did that, if they did something that was so different, Ah, world would be a much more interesting place than what is today.
A few days ago, you said those often the problem isn’t that we’re experiencing negative emotions. It’s that we believe that were bad for doing so.
Normalizing conversations, air on mental health and increasing wonder ability is a net positive for everyone, they’re all human. And the reason I bought that tweet out was because people have this negative emotions that have this fear, and it’s so hard for them to break through it. And sometimes other people say Just break it, just take the risk. But it may not that easy for that person.
|26:03||Rishi||Yeah, and I think that we’re if you’re somebody who’s showing or fearful of something, it can be incredibly liberating to hear that somebody else has been in that same position and then and then did something that ended up having a positive outcome, right, so that could encourage those people to sort of break that barrier, right? It’s a very different conversation. If you’re fearful of something and you’re like, Oh, I’m scared for somebody to say, Well, you just just do it like that’s one conversation. It’s a different conversation for that person to go like, yeah, I really felt the same way as you in this situation and then, like I thought about it in this way, I’m not sure how you’re thinking about it, but like and then I did X y Z, and then I had ABC outcome, and that’s a cover. It is a very different conversation, right? A lot of times in certain industries and certain cultures, like it’s discouraged to have those conversations but doesn’t really make sense to me. Why, ah, sharing our experiences should be discouraged. It was like a super quick thought that I just create out there today.|
|27:07||Manoj||quick, but very deep, very deep. You’ve been having a very busy August September of this year, and I understand you’ve been working on quite a bit off benches and really can hear about what you’ve been up to, especially the beyond deck and startled city initiatives. Can you help us understand what all that is about?|
|27:28||Rishi||Sure. So I’d say a lot of So what I’ve been up here has been ah ah, byproduct of the apprenticeship I did this summer with Steve Flap and I talked briefly about earlier. Seems like an amazing mentor. Had a lot of one on one time with him and just understanding how the startup scene works and how venture works. And so that was like my primer toe, all the things that I’m doing now. But ah, primarily these days.|
My day job is working on education at, uh on deck on. So we are a company trying to build, um, a modern educational institution essentially right for for adults, primarily or for the time being, at least so we run a variety of programs. Um, we run one for Founders. That’s a 10 week cohort based fellowship. We’re also gonna be doing one for Angel investors firing Angel investors and aspiring writers on. Basically, what we’ll do is we’ll bring people into this time box community, really high quality people, and we put them in the same room we give the resource is programming, etcetera. But really, the magic happens within that community, right? And when you put a lot of Buffel people with really diverse perspectives, we have fellows, I think in, like 20 plus from 20 plus countries. We’ve only been around for a year now. So, uh, you get some magic happening, right? Whether it’s a company being created or friendships being made or just people realizing that it’s a great outcome brust for somebody to come in and realize Oh, my God, I should never start a company and then go back toe the big corporate job, right? Because we’ve saved that person a lot of pain. Maybe that would have taken them +34 years to realize that they had gone and gone on their arterial journey alone. So ah, a lot of fun. So I I’m kind of focused on structuring the educational programming, which is about 20% of the of the fellowship. Ah, and then I also I’m thinking about what sorts of fellowships should be planning for in the future, right? Right now we have founders, angels and writers. What’s next? One of our one of our founders is always treating out crazy ideas he talks about. We should do you to read podcasts. And this that and the other thing is he’s an idea factory. So we’re tryingto like Just proof invalidates some of those ideas to figure out what the next 6 to 12 months looks like for the company. That’s my day job. And then, ah, kind of related Li Tiu. Maybe our earlier conversation is this thing. Start that city that I just on a whim, just they put up a leading kids for a couple months ago, which is essentially it started. Today is essentially, uh, just a space and online space or people intact. Young people intact, too, learn from other young people in that we talked about sharing experiences earlier. And what? How? That’s like positive for everybody. So it’s just like a dedicated space for people to do that in. Um um, I think that, like it is some mentorship aspects to it, that some social aspects to it. But overall, it’s like loosely. Ah, not a structure to community as as on deck, but something that I’m interested in passion about because of a lot of people still trying to find their way. Ah, in there during their 1st 35 years and in the tech industry. So, um, just going in people toe talk, giving people that space to talk things out and see how other people are putting their careers, I find is, is enlightening for many folks.
|30:55||Manoj||I’m really looking forward to seeing how start dot city grow over the years because it’s very interesting, and I think it appeals to majority of the youth in the world today, so I’m sure it’s going to branch out across across the world if it hasn’t already.|
That brings me to the next tweet, where which is what actually got me to write to you. It was on the fourth off August, and you tweeted anyone willing to read and give feedback on a piece I wrote about a recent career decision making process and more general advice. What did you write about and what advice did you get?
|31:30||Rishi||Yeah, so I think I tweeted the link out to the peace a couple days later. But the piece was around a decision that I made two. So I had a job lined up after college. Um, and the opportunity with on deck actually came out of conversations over the course of, like, 72 hours. Ah, just at some point this summer, Um, I’d like known some folks on the team for, like, a little bit, Not personally, but just like their twitter. Ah, and they ended up reaching out, being like, Hey, we like what you’re doing. We know that you have this other job lined up, but would you be interested in potentially coming to work with us? And so I spent that weekend and then the next few days, thinking through like, Okay, where my priorities What am I optimizing for? Ah, hand How do these two opportunities sort of contribute to those goals? And I came up with, Ah, a piece that maybe we can leave in the description about how I came to that decision and what my thought process was. And I had a conversation with the my perspective manager at the other job. Ah, I didn’t end up taking and I talked about that conversation and sort of, uh, she’s a lot older, wiser, smarter than I am. Ah, and she gave me some good tips for how to think about the decision. So I took her her framework and I populated. It would sort of my thinking around it on. I just put it out there in case other people are thinking about. Should I go to start ups? I go to a big company is sort of the decision I was dealing with. So hopefully me putting that advice out there, not advice, really, just like my own musings. Ah, if it helps one person in which I’ve gotten like messages that people have said that Hey, this help me, that’s a That’s a win for me. Like I don’t care if I’m annoying people on Twitter by having, like what may seem like a self agonizing like piece on there like That’s not the intention. But if one person, if it helps one person, which it has, it’s definitely worth it for other people who are less gracious. To think I’m annoying, so I’m fine with that.|
|33:37||Manoj||What was that framework she gave you?|
|33:40||Rishi||Yeah, So the sort of three decision factors that she outlined? Yeah, So there’s three questions that she asked me to think about. And the three questions were, How do you measure impact for yourself? What kind of thinking excites you and put you and flow and then think about the tooling and support that you will have at each company’s and which environment you want to learn in.|
Uh and so the way to contractual is this throughout, Um, like the decision process. I was making the measuring impact, like at a large company. You can definitely have impact on more people from a numbers perspective, but the depth of your impact on each of those people is harder to measure and maybe more shallow. Additionally, for me, I found that being inspired by the people that I’m working with is what gets me up in the morning not having like a like 10 million users or 100 millions or whatever it is, right. Like I for me, it’s very important for the people who are most proximal to during my work day. She’s my colleagues to feel some sort of connection with those folks. So that’s how I approached. The impact right is like If I if I have an impact on my team, that’s a lot more tangible for me and a lot more meaningful just because, like we talked about those immediate relationships in your life, etcetera, etcetera, Uh, that’s it’s a little more meaningful for me than then making a button that got sent out 10 million users, even though it is 10 million people, you know. And then the other questions having a dive in. But, like what? What kind of thinking excites you, puts you in flow and then think about sort of the support and environment that you’re gonna learn in within different companies. So just a general framework for thinking about this sort of big company, small company dichotomy that a lot of people especially within, are facing when thinking about the first few jobs.
|35:36||Manoj||I know you’ve been planning to have asked me anything. Sessions one day and I thought I’ll kick started here for you.|
So it’s going to be a rapid fire session. So I’m gonna ask you these questions, and you’re gonna answer them as quickly as you can. Got it.
|35:52||Rishi||Sounds good. Taking inspiration from 20 V. C.|
|35:56||Manoj||I’ve got I’ve got 10 questions for you and the timer starts Now. If you could buy any type of food right now, what would you buy?|
|36:05||Manoj||Both your favorite superhero. And|
|36:07||Rishi||why? Ah, Iron Man. Because he made it himself by and that meant to. But I also Iron Man First of Susie’s floor.|
|36:18||Manoj||If a movie was made on the field life, who should play you?|
|36:22||Rishi||I’d be honored if if Dev Patel played me.|
|36:25||Manoj||Who’s your favorite cartoon character? It’s|
|36:28||Rishi||a great question. I’ll say for now. Zuko from Avatar. The Last Airbender.|
Why he had very profound character throughout the show. Andi, he like he’s a good person at heart. And by the end of the show, you realise that which I think, uh is really profound growth, that I appreciate it. He’s also just like like this funny, awkward person. But I if I were
|37:01||Manoj||is that something you don’t have? The awkwardness? No, I’m|
|37:04||Rishi||definitely awkward. Ah, in a variety of situations, I think like it’s definitely tempered in certain situations that comical in professional situations. But it always tends to leak out once in a while.|
|37:16||Manoj||What is one of your realist cooks?|
|37:19||Rishi||Oh, I think like, I don’t know if it’s a weird quirk, but I think I’m like off putting in that. I really don’t enjoy small talk that much.|
Uh, it’s something I’m working on right where it’s like I’ll be at a party and I’ll be talking to somebody and I’ll just, like, start to zone out if we’re just making small talk and I feel really bad because, like, I genuinely want to get to know this person. But just the ritual of having to do small talk before getting into more interesting conversation is really tiring for me. But ah, so yeah, sometimes I space out when I’m talking to you. Even if I’m excited. To.
|37:57||Manoj||Thanks for clearing that. I was wondering what happened there, but do you find that an issue with your parents?|
|38:03||Rishi||it. I think I think it’s already shown itself to be an issue. But during college and again when I, when I moved to synthesis, go away from home like I wanted to be better at this. But like I I didn’t call that much because it ended up being a lot of small talk on. I’d like give them the big life update when I came home or like during a break or something. But, uh, yeah, it’s It’s frustrating because I know they want to keep in touch and, like, you know what I’m up to about the same time, like, Ah, it’s feel like I could just, like, text them the thinking. I know the impressions are important. I’m still working on it.|
|38:40||Manoj||What is the one thing that a nice annoys you, the most|
|38:44||Rishi||people who small talk, huh? On love? I think, uh, people who aren’t willing To to think right like is people who have like this very like, uh, dogmatic or people who just like, like, just go with whatever people think generally like people who subscribed to the consensus. Uh, like nobody. Nobody in the world, I’d say, is like truly a true in the US, Like Republican or Democrat, right? Like you’re not. Your views are not 100% of lines. Like, even if you’re, like the biggest supporter of Donald Trump, right? Like I’m sure you have some viewpoints that disagree with them, right? But, like those people might not admit that, or it might not be willing to think about it. Just, I think, like, willing to sit to think for oneself on it shows because it’s really frustrating to talk to those people. To|
|39:37||Manoj||what your technology do you think we’ve transformed the future, I think Surely not cloud computing. But we something else?|
|39:46||Rishi||Yeah, I think I mean, cloud is the interest for that. Everything you is being built on, but I’d say, like|
|39:54||Rishi||Yeah, Some combination of machine learning, checking voice, uh, is just gonna make information, capture and information creation, uh, way easier. We’re seeing some of it, like with GBP three, which, like, kind of a mean at this point, but like, ah, just with tools that are coming up for, like, information processing and operation organization, things like notion, things like room research. I think there’s some really interesting opportunities with that plus cloud plus voice because it’s incredibly high friction to type if you think about it like you can on Lee type when you’re sitting, you can only have effectively when you’re sitting at your laptop in your home and you’re not doing anything else. But you can talk almost at any point, right? So I think there’s a lot of human knowledge that’s left for us.|
|40:45||Manoj||What about what about it automatically types when you think|
|40:49||Rishi||e I mean, that’s the next level right? Which is like brain machine interfaces we saw you on must demo the neural link last week. So yeah, I think that there’s a lot of I don’t know on what time frames these things are gonna happen and whether any of them happened before. Climate change rooms everything. But we’ll see sort of what the immediate future holds.|
|41:09||Manoj||I’ve got three more. What is your favorite joke? I don’t know if this is|
|41:13||Rishi||my favorite, but it’s the person that came to my mind, and that has to mean something. It’s like, What did the Buffalo say to his child and then dancers by son? Goodbye.|
I love jokes, Migrant. Yeah, I also makes sense because, uh is the bison from where the last Airbender is, like, also one of my favorite characters. But that’s a separate story. Was meeting with points
|41:38||Manoj||because I asked a question, something like that in our team meet on Friday.|
Question was, What happens if you drink wine too much?
|41:51||Manoj||you get into grape depression.|
I, uh Okay, Second last, when I dance, I look like
|42:02||Rishi||somebody trying too hard.|
|42:05||Manoj||And the last question, If you could paint anything, what would you paint?|
|42:11||Rishi||Maybe the first family picture I was ever in. I don’t know what it is. It’s probably in some floor, all of them somewhere in the house. But that B B what I paint. There’s a can dental question. Uh, who would you talk to if you could talk to anybody? My answer is always my dad at my age, just to see what what he was like.|
|42:33||Manoj||Ritchie, thank you so much for being a part off this show. And I’m sure people who listen to this would have learned a lot from a young mind such as yourself. And I’m looking forward to seeing you grow and grow and grow. I’m 100% sure you will succeed in every venture that you undertake and you will be a mentor toe a lot of people.|
And I hope you are surrounded by mental. Says well and I look forward to the day when we can catch up again. Either another podcast or in person either in the US Are you coming down to Australia? Yeah. I wish you all the very best. And thank you so much. It means a lot to me that you came on the show, and I’ve learned so much.
|43:16||Rishi||I appreciate it when there’s thanks so much for having me.|